posted 03-03-2000 04:50 PM         

LIST I CHEMICALS

Anthranilic Acid Isosafrole Phenylpropanolamine
Benzaldehyde Methylamine Piperidine
Benzyl Cyanide N-Acetylanthranilic Acid Piperonal
Ephedrine N-Methylephedrine Propionic Anhydride
Ergonovine N-Methylpseudoephedrine Pseudoephedrine
Ergotomine Nitroethane Safrole
Ethylamine Norpseudoephedrine MD-P2P
Hydroiodic Acid (57%) Phenylacetic Acid

LIST II CHEMICALS Threshold by Vol. Threshold by Wt.

Acetic Anhydride 250 gal 1,023kg
Acetone 50 gal 150kg
Benzyl Chloride N/A 1kg
Ethyl Ether 50 gal 135.8kg
Methyl Ethyl Ketone 50 gal 145kg
Potassium Permanganate N/A 55kg
Toluene 50 gal 159kg

1.)I notice that hydroxylamine is not on this list. Is this correct, or is this list partial or outdated?

2.)How can ethylamine and hydroxylamine be synthesized if i can't buy them?

I know, you're gonna say 'why do you want MDEA or MDOH when you can make MDMA?'
Well... lets just say I want to try it ALL..

posted 03-03-2000 09:10 PM         

I searched outside of the hive for "ethylamine synthesis" and got ~100 results, most of the first ones being links to Shulgin's Pikhal. I did a search on "ethylamine Sn2" and got 1 link which didn't even work.

posted 03-04-2000 06:41 AM         

I think he gets on your nerves for two reasons:

1)his hive name is an utterly offensive red flag, signaling "hey World, I'm a real asshole!"

2)he seems incapable of effectively using the search engine, and still expects us to field his tired, uncreative, newbie questions

pour NaOH...,

"Not discussed much?" Once is enough; learn to use the search engine more efficiently, have patience, and you'll find every detail you need on these topics.

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-the good reverend drone

Ipsa scientia potestas est

posted 03-06-2000 11:22 PM         

2.) There are no syntheses on hydroxylamine. There was nothing on Sn2. The search engine doesn't bring up anything because it was never dicussed anywhere except for in the Hive around '97. These posts didn't come up through the search engine, but they were links from the Hive's main page:

Salut! What would be the best way to produce ethylamine hydrochloride? Omnibus

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Posted by Cherrie Baby on December 22, 1997 "Re: ethylamine":
In Reply to: "ethylamine" post by Omnibus on December 22, 1997:

a) The Hofmann rearrangement of propylamide would be fine. This is exactly analogous to the rearragement than makes methylamine [in the Elusius FAQ] Propylamide can probably be made from propyl acetate + ammonia [as in the Elusius Methylamine FAQ]. propyl acetate has many uses in manufacture of flavours, perfumes; as a solvent for resins, plastics, cellulose derivatives.

b) Reduction of nitroethane (but nitroethane is risky to get hold of)

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Posted by Allylbenzene on December 22, 1997 "Re: ethylamine":
In Reply to: "Re: ethylamine" post by Cherrie Baby on December 22, 1997:

I disagree. Hydrolysis of the hexaminium salt formed by the reaction of chloroethane with hexamine from fire fuel tablets would probably be the quickest and easiest method for the kitchen chemist. The chloroethane could easily be formed by the reaction of ethanol with HCL acid and and Lewis acid like Aluminum chloride.

3.) If you think you are too smart for my questions, then leave it alone, but don't make condescending posts because I refuse to bicker over such unimportant matters. I have only learned chemistry and O'chem in high school, so I admit, some of this stuff is advanced for me. But, I have had success with clandestine chemistry thanks to the Hive. (I had success with the KRV/SRV before Spiceboy postsed it and before it became the o2 "lazyman's wacker"). Also, I am not a newbie. I have been here since some of you more knowledgable hivers have been asking about methylamine. With all the misinformation at the Hive I don't think "once is enough".

Ethylamine is tired? Find a few other links on ethylamine sytheses and I will keep myself in the newbie forum.

Just because you may think this is a simple question, doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.

posted 03-07-2000 11:45 AM         

Many organic halogen compounds are converted into amines by treatment with aqueous or alcoholic solutions of ammonia. The reaction is generally carried out either by allowing the reactants to stand together at roomtemperature or by heating them (ev.under pressure). Displacement of halogen by NH3 yields the amine salt, from which the free amine can be liberated by treatment with hydroxide ion.

To prevent the forming of too much secondary and tertiary amine byproducts, use a large excess of ammonia. The primairy amine, ethylamine, can be separated from these byproducts by distillation.
Look into the Newbie forum, where I wrote a lot about the prep of methylamine, especially the prep from Vogel. It's the same for ethylamine. The temp is important, too high, and you get a lot of byproducts, because the formed primary amine salt is going to react again with the reagent ammonia and forms the ammonium salt and the free primary amine, this will attack the alkyl halide (Ethyl chloride) again, and yields the salt of a secondary amine, etc. to a tertiary amine and a quaternary ammonium salt.
Look up the exact reaction temp, or go for a practice run. LT/